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Creeping Carl · May 09, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

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Originally Posted by Oso Minar

I only support this if PvE characters can also create weapons for themselves. If you want to even out the playing field between PvE and PvP, then DO IT. Give use PvE'ers fully customizable armor sets. Give us the ability to make the weapons we want.

If you're going to "balance things", then balance them fully.

You PVE'ers only have yourselves to blame when it comes to inflexible PVE options. Whenever suggestions for making items more customizable are implemented or suggested (i.e. inscriptions) the farmers and gold hoarders complain that those features devalue their stash. Remember that huge thread before Nightfall came out about inscriptions? Huge outcry against inscriptions.

Or when suggestions for customizable armor sets just like PVP options, the Role players come out and scream how it's not role playing. Same goes for suggestions for access to unlocked skills on an account and anything that tries to take grind away.

Basically PVE'ers love grind and complain when it's being taken away. Yet they also complain when grind or extra features are added to PVP because they feel left out. Pretty childish if you ask me.

savage vapor 33 · May 09, 2007, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by Oso Minar

I only support this if PvE characters can also create weapons for themselves. If you want to even out the playing field between PvE and PvP, then DO IT. Give use PvE'ers fully customizable armor sets. Give us the ability to make the weapons we want.

If you're going to "balance things", then balance them fully.

LoL...You can make the weapons you want, its called inscriptions and mods. Also you can go to a weaponsmith and customize it. And if that costs too much money then you aren't made for PVE.

Tempy · May 09, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by Creeping Carl

You PVE'ers only have yourselves to blame when it comes to inflexible PVE options. Whenever suggestions for making items more customizable are implemented or suggested (i.e. inscriptions) the farmers and gold hoarders complain that those features devalue their stash. Remember that huge thread before Nightfall came out about inscriptions? Huge outcry against inscriptions.

Or when suggestions for customizable armor sets just like PVP options, the Role players come out and scream how it's not role playing. Same goes for suggestions for access to unlocked skills on an account and anything that tries to take grind away.

Basically PVE'ers love grind and complain when it's being taken away. Yet they also complain when grind or extra features are added to PVP because they feel left out. Pretty childish if you ask me.

Please don't lump all PvE'ers as YOU PVE'ers, you will notice its only a few very outspoken and wordy people that scream for the things you have mentioned above not to happen...and yet once again the minority is what is listened too. EDIT: and BTW you will also note that most of the gripes about opening things up are from avid PvP'ers "PvP is about the Account, PvE about Character Development" END EDIT

Happy Hunting All I am almost done with this journey called GW.

Taki · May 09, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Don't be so petty. What's the word for people who don't want to see others benefit if they get nothing from it in turn?

Anyway, remember that visuals are very important to most players, hell, important to people in general. And for the longest time ANet has said (well, Gaile has anyway) that PvE chars are for shiny itenz and PvP chars for functionality and flexibility. Yet you could make a PvE char shiny and functual but not so with a PvP one. I see no problem with unlockable skins as long as they make the investment a player has to make to obtain these somewhat equal in both PvE and PvP. This will be incredibly difficult seeing as perceptions will differ greatly.

Also remember that for many, PvP is the only part of Guild Wars that they still enjoy and play regularly; PvP is the entire game for them. So 'soon' they will getting to enjoy a part of the game that everyone else already has but without having to endure the torture of endless grinding/ebaying in PvE. All they'll have to do is grind in PvP instead

Kashrlyyk · May 09, 2007, 07:09 AM // 07:09

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Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

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PvE characters already have access to it. Plain and simple. It's not like they are going to make it easy to obtain (they've already said that), so you (general usage) don't need to worry about all the hard work you put into getting your skins to look cool suddenly being worthless.
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What's changed other than you can CHOOSE between farming/buying a skin or farming points to unlock a skin? The amount of effort is still there, you are still able to do it the original way, you just have more options now.
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PvP characters have a 100% chance to get the item, they just need enough points.
A PvE character needs to have luck. Finding a rare skin is a chance thing, you don´t get a garantied drop. Even if you have enough money, you need someone actually selling the item.
So I don´t think it is the same effort.

savage vapor 33 · May 09, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

PvP characters have a 100% chance to get the item, they just need enough points.
A PvE character needs to have luck. Finding a rare skin is a chance thing, you don´t get a garantied drop. Even if you have enough money, you need someone actually selling the item.
So I don´t think it is the same effort.

Also the person selling the item wont have many more people to sell the rare item too. The PVP players will be spending the points on unlocking the skin you just farmed for 3 days straight.

manitoba1073 · May 09, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24

all i have to say if this turns out to be true is that the HoH only chest items had better start dropping in PvE then.

Skuld · May 09, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

or what? you'll QQ on forums? lol...

@Kashrlyyk ~ anyone can get drops; if you're not good enough at these HB and GvG ATs, you've got 0% chance of getting these skins

Cassandra · May 09, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

I would prefer to have a chest at the end of ATS, dropping fabulous items :Q___

Bankai · May 09, 2007, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Wow, the retardedness of this thread is ultimate.

However, one thing that really irked me was the statement of this 'completely destroying the fundamentation of making a PvE character and then moving to PvP'. This has failed since the beginning. There aren't a lot of people that like to play PvP with PvE characters (bar people that waste a lot of time. Those people include those that are probably strolling these forums. So if you are going to make an argument saying that you DO play it with PvE characters, you're just an exception.). ANet has realized this. Hence, they're making GW2.

I think it's really nice. Everybody is acting like you can get all über skins in an hour on a pvp character. However, remember that you can only get them if you're actually winning tournaments. I don't think you'll see a lot of people running around with high-end PvE items for a while.

Mystica Shadowheart · May 09, 2007, 08:07 AM // 08:07

I was actually hoping this rewards to work in a different way, let me explain:

I was hoping in unique PVP skins (i know it is more resource consuming for Anet), that you can get for both your PVP OR PVE Character.

For 2 simple resons:

1. The hardcore PVEer has FoW,Zodiac,Celestial sets etc etc (let exclude the PVP+Ebay option

) that shows his commitment to PVE; I think it would be nice that a hardcore PVP player can have somthing similar (I play mostly GVG and the Champion title is the only kinda lame reward). Differentiated skins for GVG or HB would be nice too...i'm dreaming i know.

2. Some people like me invest the time not used in PVP to bring their PVE character up to speed and able to compete in PVP if the skins were PVP-Unique it would be nice to have to chance of putting them on that character.

Creeping Carl · May 09, 2007, 08:08 AM // 08:08

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

PvP characters have a 100% chance to get the item, they just need enough points.
A PvE character needs to have luck. Finding a rare skin is a chance thing, you don´t get a garantied drop. Even if you have enough money, you need someone actually selling the item.
So I don´t think it is the same effort.

That is such flawed reasoning that I just had to respond. 100% chance of getting the item in PVP? Says who? You? Do you even know exactly how the PVP skin unlocking system will work?

For all we know, the highest tier skins will require such ridiculous amounts of points that only the consistant winners of tournaments will get them. The higher you climb in the tournament the higher the scaling of points that you get, making it hard to farm for points if youre not high ranking in the tournament.

As for getting stuff in PVE you CAN buy anything. Funny how you say that all you need are points to unlock stuff in PVP. Well in PVE, all you need is gold. Heck you can buy gold if you're shady. And there is always someone selling that something that you want.

Saphrium · May 09, 2007, 08:42 AM // 08:42

Remember pvp chars are stuck on an island, it is not even 1/100th of the content pve ppl get, what are they complaining anyway?
Anet spent all those time building a world for pve people and they are still complaining, guess how long it would take them to make the game if there was only pvp content.

Julia-Louis Dreyfus · May 09, 2007, 08:51 AM // 08:51

like someone said before, this isnt gonna make an impact on pve. why? because only top guilds,and GOOD hvh players gonna be able to reap the benefits. this isnt gonna turn RA or TA into crystalline heaven. those points are hard to get, and im guessing your gonna need alot of them. so quit whining, oh yeah, and im pve player so get over it

fb2000 · May 09, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

I dont see the reason Anet suddenly promotes Hero battles with such a zeal..
i mean ok, encouraging winners in GvG, this is very much ok, but Hero battles ???

Itd make more sense to encourage something like 4on4 teams with people (TA, maybe with a bit different objectives?), not heroes..

just my opinion.

Spazzer · May 09, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by savage vapor 33

ACtually it will effect PVE players.

Prices will go crazy mainly because the main reason they are jacked up on certain items in the first place, the ones that look the best, is because PVP players pay boatloads for them

Oh. So, where do you suppose these PVP players are coming up with all this money?

wtb gvg rewards chest

Orphan Anthem · May 09, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

yeah this is kinda retarded, is it balh or rewards for tournaments?

OH and FYI most HARDCORE PVPERS have spent time in pve atleast enough to get special armor and weapon skin's so im sure they wont be too pleased

Alderin · May 09, 2007, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Does-it-Matter

Name a skin, I'll tell you how you can find it without using PvP rewards. Now tell me all the ways a PvP character can get them.

I'll bite on this one, tell me where I can get an inscribleable Runic Blade or Stygian Reaver without using PvP rewards? No creature drops them.

Now if you are going to say something along the lines of "farm for weeks on end to get the gold to buy them from other players" then well guess what, you just answered your own question of where PvP characters can get them. They can either get those items in HoH or farm in PvE for weeks on end to have the gold to buy them from other players.

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Originally Posted by Saphrium

Remember pvp chars are stuck on an island, it is not even 1/100th of the content pve ppl get, what are they complaining anyway?
Anet spent all those time building a world for pve people and they are still complaining, guess how long it would take them to make the game if there was only pvp content.

I'm curious how long Guild Wars would last if it was only PvP without any of that PvE.

Also, are you complaining that PvE gets roleplaying area and PvP only characters don't? Isn't PvP meant to be Player(s) vs Player(s) so why would a PvP only character want to explore the land and delve into myth and legends or care how niffy and shiney their armor and weapons look when they are supposed to be focusing on honing their skills to take down their opponents?

Getting prestigious items for PvP can still be done, just make a PvE character and do as others have said and go farm that item or earn the gold to buy it or get some really prestigious weapons from the HoH chest. As for armor, just make a PvE character and make it PvP ready. After all, I hear most PvP people find PvE overly easy to do.

Frantic-Sheep · May 09, 2007, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Tournament Rewards, and seroiusly - they wont be THAT easy to obtain most likely (as most people think here).

I just wished they would have made unique PvP skins - but that might be a bit madness to create.. :\

Lets first see how the AT's go

Mr. G · May 09, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

mwhahahah i knew i spent those 2 hours earning my...err 3 reward points for something

Did i mention i suck?

Still i like this, But i say if they do this vanquisher needs some form of emote

Also its going to be weird to see varity on PvP